AN EXCHANGE WITH BORN AGAIN ABOUT THE PRIMACY OF PETER AND THE PAPACY

This is one of the exchanges in the forum of Born Again and Catholics with regards to doctrinal issues. Statements written in red texts were from Benny, a Born Again while statements in black texts were my arguments.

BENNY: Jesus Christ is the Founder, Builder, Head, and Foundation of His Church! The Rock of Ages!

ME: YET JESUS CHRIST HIMSELF LAID A FOUNDATION AMONG APOSTLES

HE BUILT A STRONG FOUNDATION THROUGH HIS APOSTLES:

EPHESIANS 2:20
Together, we are his house, BUILT ON THE FOUNDATION OF APOSTLES and prophets. And the cornerstone is Christ Jesus himself.

-->Jesus Christ being the cornerstone laid foundation through his apostles and He himself appointed Peter as a Primer among these foundations, the Rock on which the Church was built.

[ Whatever language Jesus used... He built His Church upon Himself.]

ME: then WHY DID JESUS CHRIST CHANGE THE NAME SIMON INTO PETER???
WHAT IS THE VERY REASON OF THAT??

WHEN HE SAID

"THOU ART PETER" HE TALKED TO PETER, THEN HE CONTINUED,

"AND ON THIS ROCK, I WILL BUILD MY CHURCH"

O WAIT, IS THE VERSE DESCRIBING THAT JESUS CHRIST IS POINTING IN HIMSELF????

NO, ACTUALLY, HE WAS SPEAKING TO SAINT PETER AND FROM VERSE 17
"BLESSED ART THOU SIMON BARJONA AND THEN SUDDENLY IT CHANGED TO "PETER"

AND THEN" THOU ART PETER AND ON THIS ROCK"
PETER IN GREEK IS EQUAL TO ROCK
LITHOS ON THE OTHER HAND IS STONE BUT JESUS CHRIST CHOSE PETROS/PETRA AND NOT "LITHOS"

PETER IS INDEED A ROCK CHOSEN BY JESUS CHRIST TO BE THE ROCK OF THE CHURCH

[[ Remember that Jesus Christ is the subject of the Story if you will read the preceding verses.]

--> LOOK AGAIN 
VERSE 17 -JESUS CHRIST CALLED SIMON BLESSED
MEANING FROM THE VERY FIRST EVENT OF DECLARATION, SIMON BECAME THE SUBJECT IN WHICH JESUS CHRIST DESCRIBED HIM AS BLESSED

“You are blessed, Simon son of John,[e] because my Father in heaven has revealed this to you. You did not learn this from any human being."

-->SEE, SAINT PETER IS THE SUBJECT. AND ON THE CLIMAX

Now I say to you that you are Peter (which means ‘rock’),[f] and upon this rock I will build my church, and all the powers of hell[g] will not conquer it. 

-->AND AGAIN JESUS WAS REFERRING TO SIMON FROM USING THE PRONOUN "THOU" "YOU"
YOU REFERS TO SIMON BUT SUDDENLY JESUS CHRIST SAID "PETER" WHICH MEANS ROCK
SIMON BECAME PETER, THE ROCK AND ON THIS ROCK JESUS CHRIST BUILT HIS CHURCH

[When Apostle Paul rebuked Peter... did the gates of hell did not prevail at that time?]

-->IF YOU WILL MAKE JESUS CHRIST A LIAR THEN THE GATES OF HELL WILL PREVAIL ON THE CHURCH BUT JESUS CHRIST OUR LORD IS NOT A LIAR

WHEN APOSTLE PAUL REBUKED PETER, IT IS NOT A MATTER OF DOCTRINES THEY ARE TEACHING BUT A MATTER OF PERSONAL IMPECCABILITY WHICH MEANS, APOSTLES AS HUMAN BEINGS CAN BE SUBJECTED TO ERROR IN THEIR PERSONAL DECISIONS BUT IN THE MATTER OF FAITH AND MORALS THEY ARE GUIDED BY HOLY SPIRIT MAKING THEM INFALLIBLE

[Jesus said... the gates of hell will not prevail over His Church for He will build it upon the True Rock, Christ Himself.]

-->THE FACT THAT JESUS CHRIST CHANGED THE NAME OF SIMON INTO PETER IN GREEK OR CEPHAS IN ARAMAIC PROVES THAT PETER INDEED IS THE ROCK ON WHICH THE CHURCH WAS BUILT

[If you will read church history... the Inquisition... did the gates of hell did not prevail at that time]

-->SO YOU TRULY ARE MAKING JESUS CHRIST A LIAR IN ORDER TO IMPOSE HERE YOUR MALICIOUS MIND???

[. The Holocaust... and I hate to say this... the scandals that happened and happening around the church..]

-->HOW CAN YOU SAY THAT IT IS A HOLOCAUST IF MANY HISTORIANS AGREED UPON THE HUMANITY OF THE CHURCH??? HELLO, THOMAS MADDEN, ONE OF THE MOST PROMINENT HISTORIANS SAID THAT INQUISITION IS THE MOST HUMANE TRIBUNAL OF THE PAST. STOP DREAMING MY DEAR FRIEND

[If you will read church history... the Inquisition... did the gates of hell did not prevail at that time]

-->sad to SAY BUT HISTORY WILL TELL TO US THAT IT IS A GATE OF JUSTICE

“The Spanish inquisition, however, engaged in it far less often and WITH GREATER CARE THAN OTHER COURTS.” 

Source:Peters, Edward, Inquisition, Dissent, Heterodoxy and the Medieval Inquisitional Office, pp. 92-93, University of California Press (1989), ISBN 0-520-06630-8.

“In practice, the Spanish Inquisition used forms of torture that were common to the entire judicial system and UNDOUBTEDLY MORE CAREFUL THAN OTHER COURTS APPLYING IT. Moreover, in spite of the considerable discretion given to judges in the 1561 instructions, the repetition of torture was extremely unusual…” 

Source: Haliczer, Stephen, Inquisition and society in the kingdom of Valencia, 1478-1834, p. 79, University of California Press, 1990

“The jails of the Inquisition were no worse than those of secular authorities, and there are even certain testimonies THAT OCCASIONALLY THEY WERE MUCH BETTER.”

Source: Walsh, Thomas William, Characters of the Inquisition, P.J. Kennedy & Sons, 1940, p. 163.

[ Historians may approve it but do you think God Approves it. What is your basis or Standard of Approval... Man or God?]

-->HISTORIANS WILL SURELY APPROVE IT BECAUSE THEY SEEK TRUTH NOT FANTASIES. THEY DONT LIKE THE WAY HOW REVISIONIST REVISED HISTORY JUST LIKE THE WAY HOW YOU IMPOSE YOUR FANTASIES HERE

EVEN GOD WILL APPROVE IT SINCE HE ASKED US TO ASK FORMER GENERATIONS NOT THOSE DECEIVERS LIKE YOU

JOB 8:8

"ASK THE FORMER GENERATIONS..."

[ To call a person stupid... is that what you learned from your church... Your words reveal who you are!]

-->I AM NOT CALLING YOU STUPID

I AM SAYING, YOUR CLAIM IS JUST A STUPID CLAIM

"YOUR CLAIM THAT PETER IS NOT THE ROCK AND THE GATES OF HELL PREVAILED ON THE CHURCH ARE NOTHING BUT A STUPID CLAIM"

-->SEE, IT REFERS TO YOUR CLAIM NOT TO YOURSELF

[Where does a stupid questions comes..]

you are not asking, you are claiming

see your declarative sentence here:

[If you will read church history... the Inquisition... did the gates of hell did not prevail at that time]

-->I SEE NO QUESTION MARK

[Peter left his ministry and went back to fishing after Jesus burial... Did the gates of hell did not prevail at that time.]

-->I SEE NOTHING IN THE BIBLE THAT PETER LEFT MINISTRY,

IN FACT, HE BECAME ACTIVE IN MINISTRY PROVEN BY THE FACT THAT HE SPOKE WITH THE JEWS TO EVANGELIZE THEM AT THE VERY FIRST CHAPTER OF THE BOOK OF ACTS.

DO NOT IMPOSE YOUR LIES HERE.

[Typo errors are common but the intended meaning is there...]

-->IF YOU CAN BE SUBJECTED IN TYPOGRAPHICAL AND GRAMMATICAL ERRORS, HOW MUCH MORE IN THEOLOGICAL AND HISTORICAL ERROR???

[All commits typo errors? Don't you?]

-->THE FACT IS THAT, YOU ARE NOT ONLY COMMITTING TYPO ERRORS BUT ALSO ERRORS IN CONSTRUCTING A VERY BASIC QUESTION...

NEXT TIME, PLEASE DO LEND A TIME TO MAKE YOUR STATEMENTS CLEARER