Refuting the Plagiarized Lies of Mr. Anon Nymous PART 3

(ON IMMACULATE CONCEPTION OF MARY)

La Purísima Inmaculada Concepción
by Bartolomé Esteban Murillo, 1678, now in Museo del Prado, Spain.
courtesy:wikipedia

 Mr. Anon nymous said:

[Anon Nymous March 25, 2014 at 11:37 PM 

Catholic False Doctrine 3 

The Roman Catholic Church claim that Mary was sinless. 

"The church has become ever more aware that Mary "full of grace" through God was redeemed from the moment of her conception. This is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses ..... Mary was.... from the first moment of her conception ...... preserved immune from all stain of original sin." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 491) 

Not only does the Bible declare that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), but Mary herself declared that she needed a Saviour.
Luke 1:46-47 .....'And Mary said, My soul doth magnify the Lord, and my spirit hath rejoiced in God MY Saviour.']

REPLY: It has been proven in the part 1 of this series that Mr. Anon Nymous is guilty of Plagiarism which is a clear violation of what God has commanded to us, “Thou shalt not steal”. Aside from the fact that he committed robbery and theft through plagiarizing an article from one website, it is also proven beyond reasonable doubt that Mr. anon nymous committed a grievous crime of perjury in which he badly falsified our Catholic documents to please himself in attacking our Holy Church. He testified as a false witness trying to deceive others by quoting Bible verses and Catholic dogmas even it is proven that HIS STATEMENTS ARE ALL PLAGIARIZED LIES.

Mr. Anon Nymous said:

"The church has become ever more aware that Mary "full of grace" through God was redeemed from the moment of her conception. This is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception confesses ..... Mary was.... from the first moment of her conception ...... preserved immune from all stain of original sin." (Catechism of the Catholic Church, 491)

Not only does the Bible declare that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23), but Mary herself declared that she needed a Saviour.

Well,  it is clear in his plagiarized statement that Mr. Anon Nymous tried to attack the Catholic Marian doctrine of Immaculate Conception but he forgot that the CCC 491 declared that Mary being sinless and Immaculately conceived WAS REDEEMED BY GOD, SO THE CATHOLIC CATECHISM AFFIRMS THAT MARY HERSELF NEEDED A SAVIOR!!! IT NEVER CONTRADICTS THE BIBLE AT ALL!!

CCC 491:Through the centuries the Church has become ever more aware that Mary, "full of grace" THROUGH GOD, WAS REDEEMED FROM THE MOMENT OF HER CONCEPTION. That is what the dogma of the Immaculate Conception  confesses, as Pope Pius IX proclaimed in 1854:
The most Blessed Virgin Mary was, from the first moment of her conception, by a singular grace and privilege of almighty God and by virtue of the merits of Jesus Christ, Savior of the human race, preserved immune from all stain of original sin.

The official statement of the Catholic Church declares that Mary herself needed God in order to be saved but the salvation of Mary is different from ours because she is highly-favored by God, she is full of grace (kecharitomene) and she received her salvation through God right at the moment she was conceived immaculately. Therefore, it is reasonable to say that the Catechism itself does not contradict the statement of Mr. Anon nymous when he said, “she needed a Savior.” Ergo, Mr. Anon Nymous was caught lying again. IT IS GOD THAT MADE HER IMMACULATE NOT MARY HERSELF.

Now is it possible?

Of course yes, because Angel Gabriel himself said:

Luke 1:27 –NLT  

For NOTHING IS IMPOSSIBLE with God.

The declaration of Catholic doctrine of Immaculate Conception of Mary does not lower down the power of God but instead it brings glory to the power of God.

God made Mary Immaculate because God promised that He will put ENMITY between the Woman and Satan in the protoevangelium at Genesis 3:15;

Genesis 3:15 [emphasis added] 

And I WILL PUT ENMITY BETWEEN THEE AND THE WOMAN, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel. (KJV)

Jesus Christ Himself, a True God called Mary “woman” not to bring disgrace to her BUT TO AFFIRM THE FACT THAT MARY IS THE WOMAN WHO WOULD BECOME THE ENMITY OF SATAN.

JOHN 19:26-KJV                                                       
When Jesus therefore saw his mother, and the disciple standing by, whom he loved, he saith unto his mother, Woman, behold thy son!

You should notice that in Genesis 3:15; the offspring of Woman (seed) shall crush the head of Satan. This was done by Jesus Christ which is the Son of Mary, but who is this “Woman”? Guess who.

God putted enmity between “Woman” and Satan, while in New testament writings, Mary was called Woman. It is not a coincidence but rather a FULFILLMENT OF GOD’S PLAN ABOUT MARY BEING IMMACULATE, PURE AND SINLESS. THE SALVATION OF MARY IS NOT THE SAME TO US. GOD REDEEMED MARY THROUGH PREVENTIVE REDEMPTION.

Jeremiah 1:5- ESV [emphasis added]  

“Before I  you in the womb I knew you,
and before you were born I CONSECRATED YOU;

Psalms 97:10-NKJV 

You who love the LORD, hate evil! He preserves the souls of His saints;
He delivers them out of the hand of the wicked –

We all know that because of Satan, Adam and Eve had sinned and the Bible tells that sin makes us enemies of God (James 4:4 & 1 John 3:8 ). Now if Mary is a sinner, then she must not be the one who will become enmity of Satan. The very sad truth for heretics like Mr. Anon nymous is the fact that Mary was made faultless in order to become worthy as our “New Ark of Covenant” and “New Eve” who would bear the Son of God (theotokos), which is indeed our Lord Jesus Christ. (this will be explained in later part of the series)

In angelic salutation at the first chapter of Luke where an angel of God brought good news to Mary; Angel Gabriel said; (it should be noted that some of NT writings were written in Greek)

Luke 1:28 - NA – καὶ εἰσελθὼν πρὸς αὐτὴν εἶπεν, χαῖρε, κεχαριτωμένη, ὁ κύριος μετὰ σοῦ

greek NT

The word used here is “κεχαριτωμένη” (KECHARITOMENE) which is the perfect participle form of the Greek word “charitoo” which means “to honor with blessings”. It denotes the fact that Mary has always  been and forever remains “full of grace”. Since it is in perfect participle  form, then Mary is made “full of grace” or sinless right at the beginning of her life where she was conceived. Ergo, Mary is made Immaculate by God proven by the fact that she is CALLED “KECHARITOMENE”.

Kecharitomene, the perfect passive participle, shows a completeness with a with permanent result. Kecharitomene denotes continuance of a completed action (H. W. Smyth, Greek Grammar (Cambridge: Harvard University Press, 1968 ) 108-109, sec 1852:b)  (Blass and DeBrunner p.175.)  

 Mr. Anon nymous also said:

Not only does the Bible declare that ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God (Romans 3:23)

Romans 3:23 does not denote to “all” without exemption. In Greek, the word used is “pantes” πάντες.  It was derived from Greek root word “pas” which means “vast majority” not in the strict sense “all”.

In Thayer’s definition:

1.      individually
1.      each, every, any, all, the whole, everyone, all things, everything
2.      collectively
1.      SOME OF ALL TYPES
... "the whole world has gone after him" Did all the world go after Christ? "then went all Judea, and were baptized of him in Jordan."Was all Judea, or all Jerusalem, baptized in Jordan? "Ye are of God,little children", and the whole world lieth in the wicked one". Does the whole world there mean everybody? The words "world" and "all" are used in some seven or eight senses in Scripture, and it is very rarely the "all" means all persons, taken individually. The words are generally used to signify that Christ has redeemed some of all sorts-- some Jews, some Gentiles, some rich, some poor, and has notrestricted His redemption to either Jew or Gentile ...

Source: http://www.studylight.org/desk/interlinear.cgi?search_form_type=interlinear&q1=romans+3%3A23&ot=bhs&nt=na&s=0&t3=str_nas&ns=0

If we accept his proposition that all have sinned, then that would include Jesus Christ because being human is part of the dual nature of Christ being also a True God. It would be blasphemous at this part since we all know that aside from Mary, Christ is also sinless (Heb. 4:15)

Aside from Romans 3:23; Mark 14:64 also used the word “pantes”:

Mark 14:64- NRSVCE 

You have heard his blasphemy! What is your decision?” All of them condemned him as deserving death.

If we accept that “all” condemned Christ to death then Saint Peter also condemned Christ to death because Saint Peter was there during that time:

Mark 14:54-NRSVCE 

Peter had followed him at a distance, right into the courtyard of the high priest; and he was sitting with the guards, warming himself at the fire.

Did Peter condemn Christ to death?? Of Course not, Saint Peter is a very loyal servant. Though he denied Christ three times, he cannot condemn Christ to death. The majority condemned Him but not all of them.

In Luke 1:5-6 (NLT)(emphasis added);
When Herod was king of Judea, there was a Jewish priest named Zechariah. He was a member of the priestly order of Abijah, and his wife, Elizabeth, was also from the priestly line of Aaron.  ZECHARIAH AND ELIZABETH WERE RIGHTEOUS IN GOD’S EYES, CAREFUL TO OBEY ALL OF THE LORD’S COMMANDMENTS AND REGULATIONS

VERSUS

ROMANS 3:23 AND ROMANS 3:10

as it is written:“None is righteous, no, not one; (Rom.3:10)

If Zechariah and Elizabeth obeyed all Lord’s commandments, then they are worthy to be called righteous before the eyes of God but if we are going to accept the word “all” in strict sense of Romans 3:23 and “no one is righteous” in Romans 3:10, Is it false to call Zechariah and Elizabeth righteous in God’s eyes? Saint Luke versus Saint Paul?

The fact that Zechariah and Elizabeth were recognized as righteous ones and that Mother Mary is called KECHARITOMENE supports the fact that the “all” in Romans 3:23 has exceptions. Like what Thayer’s definition stated, it must also be accepted in “collective” sense permitting some exceptions and admitting the fact that some also became worthy and righteous in the eyes of God. THEREFORE, THE WORD “ALL” IN ROMANS 3:23 IS NOT “ABSOLUTE”.