KASAGUTAN SA SINUNGALING NA INC TUNGKOL SA PAPAL DYNASTY

BATANG TUPA:

ANG DYNASTY ay isang PAMILYA na kumokontrol ng kapangayarihan sa iisang Organisasyon o Bansa.. Tandaan more than one is many..kaya PAPATUNAYAN KO PO NA HINDI LANG ISANG BESES nagkaroon ng Dynasty sa Loob ng Catholicism...

1st Dyansty:

The Borgia family (Spanish: Borja or Borjia) became prominent during the Renaissance in Italy. They were from Valencia, the name coming from the family fief of Borja, then in the kingdom of Aragon, in Spain.
The Borgias became prominent in ecclesiastical and political affairs in the 15th and 16th centuries, producing two popes, Alfons de Borja who ruled as Pope Callixtus III during 1455–1458 and Rodrigo Lanzol Borgia, as Pope Alexander VI, during 1492–1503.
Especially during the reign of Alexander VI, they were suspected of many crimes, including adultery, simony, theft, bribery[citation needed] and murder (especially murder by arsenic poisoning).[1] Because of their grasping for power, they made enemies of the Medici, the Sforza, and the Dominican friar Savonarola, among others. They were also patrons of the arts who contributed to the Renaissance.

source: Arsenic: A Murderous History. Dartmouth Toxic Metals Research Program, 2009
Jump up ^ The Menorah journal, Volumes 20-23, Intercollegiate Menorah Association, 1932, page 163 

2nd Dynasty
The parentage of John XI is still a matter of dispute. According to Liutprand of Cremona (Antapodosis, ii. c. 48) and the "Liber Pontificalis,"HE WAS THE NATURAL SON OF Pope Sergius III (904–911), ("Johannes, natione Romanus ex patre Sergio papa," "Liber Pont." ed. Duchesne, II, 243). Ferdinand Gregorovius,[1] Ernst Dümmler, Thomas Greenwood (Cathedra Petri: A Political History of the great Latin Patriarchate), Philip Schaff, and Rudolf Baxmann[2] agree with Liutprand that Pope Sergius III fathered Pope John XI[3] by Marozia. If that is true, John XI would be the only known illegitimate son of a Pope to have become Pope himself. (Silverius was the legitimate son of Pope Hormisdas). On the other hand, Horace Kinder Mann,[4] Reginald L. Poole,[5] Peter Llewelyn (Rome in the Dark Ages), Karl Josef von Hefele, August Friedrich Gfrörer,[6] Ludovico Antonio Muratori, and Francis Patrick Kenrick[7] maintain that Pope John XI was sired by Alberic I of Spoleto, Count of Tusculum.

Source: Wikipedia.com

3rd Dynasty
One of two Legitimate sons of Pope Innocent I, born around 399. When his father (Pope Innocent) died in 417, there was no clear agreement of succession between either himself or his brother Eulalius.

Controlling substantial wealth and resources, both young princes ushered in a feud in the palaces and streets of Rome, with neither side willing to cede.

To spare the city from any more damage and bloodsheed, Galla Placidia famously asked Emperor Honorius to order his cousins to take their fight outside the walls of Rome- a city still recovering from the shock of the raid of Alaric.

Honorius sent an edict to both young men to cease hostilities and forced them both into temporarily exile. But Eulalius was the first to break his oath to his Theodosian cousin, the Emperor and returned to Rome. Honorius then used this as the pretext to select Boniface, exiling Eulalius. At the age of just 18, Boniface was elected Pope in 418.

source: one-evil.org

4th Dynasty
He was a legitimate son of Pope Hormisdas, born before his father entered the priesthood. Silverius was probably consecrated 8 June 536. He was a subdeacon when king Theodahad of the Ostrogoths forced his election and consecration. Jeffrey Richards interprets his low rank prior to becoming pope as an indication that Theodahad was eager to put a pro-Gothic candidate on the throne on the eve of the Gothic War and "had passed over the entire diaconate as untrustworthy".[2] The Liber Pontificalis alleges that Silverius had purchased his elevation from King Theodahad.

Source: Wikipedia.com

Kaya hindi totoo na walang Dynasty sa Roman Catholic.. KAtunayan halos Ama sa Anak ang nagiging Pope sa Roman Catholic....

Jose dela Cruz: 

Hindi ako makapaniwala sa mga lohika mo. Unang-una sa una mong pinost, MALINAW NAMAN PO NA KASINUNGALINGAN ANG NASA POST DAHIL ANG AMA NI POPE LEO THE GREAT AY SI QUINTIANUS AT HINDI SI POPE BONIFACE, SO ANG SINUNGALING MONG BINTANG NA MAY DINASTIYA KAY POPE LEO AY MALINAW PONG NAKONTRA NG KATOTOHANAN UKOL SA KASAYSAYAN.

Sa ikalawa mong pinost, hindi po naming tinatanggi na mayroon ngang iilang kahihiyan ang naidulot ng Borgia family pero paulit-ulit po naming sinabi na hindi ito kaylanman tinolerate ng simbahan lalo na’t sa pagtatapos ng kanilang pamumuno, ipinatupad kaagad-agad ang isang papal bull na nagbabawal sa mga ganitong gawi. ISA PA PO PALA, hindi po ako makapaniwala sa definition mo ng "many"[more than one=many] dahil kung ganun ang tamang definition, pati po pala ONE AND ONE HALF AY MAITUTURING NG MANY O MARAMI???

[2^ND DYNASTY?]

Ngayon, wala pong bago sa pinost nyo dahil inulit nyo na lang po ang isyu sa Borgia family so darako tayo ngaun sa ikalawang pinost nyo na patungkol kay Pope John XI. Una sa lahat, ang alam kong depinisyon ng Dynasty ay ganito:

“A succession of people from the same family who play a prominent role in a certain field.” source:http://www.thefreedictionary.com/dynasty

So ang qualification po sa pagiging dynasty ay isang tuloy-tuloy na succession mula sa una hanggang sa magiging anak nya. Ibig sabihin, pagkatapos ng termino ng isa, kaagad syang hahalinhan ng kanyang anak o kamag-anak. Ngayon, MAITUTURING BANG DINASTIYA ANG IKALAWA MONG PINOST??? HINDI PO, BAKIT?

1. UNA, hindi po tiyak na anak po sya ni Pope Sergius dahil ayon mismo sa pinagkunan mo “THE PARENTAGE OF POPE JOHN XI IS STILL A MATTER OF DISPUTE”. Ibig sabihin nagpapalagayan pa lamang ang mga istoryador kung anu ang tiyak na pinanggalingan ni Pope John XI, dahil may ibang record sa kasaysayan na SYA PO AY ANAK NI MAROZIA SA ASAWA NITONG SI ALBERIC. IBIG SABIHIN, WALA PONG KATIYAKAN NA SYA’Y ANAK NI POPE SERGIUS III DAHIL MAY ASSERTION NA ANAK SYA NI ALBERIC!

2. IKALAWA, SI POPE SERGIUS AY NAMUNO LAMANG HANGGANG 911 SAMANTALANG SI POPE JOHN XI AY NAGSIMULANG MAMUNO NOONG 931. PAPAANO PO TATAWAGING DYNASTY IYAN KUNG SI POPE JOHN XI AY NAMUNO LAMANG 20 YEARS PAGKATAPOS MAMATAY SI POPE SERGIUS? Napakalinaw po sa kasaysayan na si Pope Sergius ay HINALINHAN NI ANASTASIUS III NA ANAK NI LUCIAN, SINUNDAN PA ITO NINA POPE LANDO, JOHN X, LEO VI AT STEPHEN VIII, HINDI PO SILA MAGKAKAMAG-ANAK! WALA PONG NANGYARING DIRECT FAMILY SUCCESSION PARA TAWAGIN NATING DYNASTY ANG TERMINO NINA POPE SERGIUS AT NI JOHN XI! (refer to the definition of DYNASTY ABOVE)

[3^RD DYNASTY?]

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA, bumase ka na naman sa isang website na puro kasinungalingan ang laman. Hindi ba’t dyan ka rin kumuha sa kasinungalingan mo ukol kay Pope Leo the Great, pero sasagutin natin iyan. UNA SA LAHAT, SI POPE BONIFACE I PA ANG TINUTUKOY MO DAHIL SA PALAGAY KO SYA NGA?

[One of two Legitimate sons of Pope Innocent I, born around 399. When his father (Pope Innocent) died in 417, there was no clear agreement of succession between either himself or his brother Eulalius.]

Wala pong tala sa kasaysayan na ang AMA NI POPE BONIFACE I AY SI POPE INNOCENT I DAHIL ANG AMA PO NI POPE BONIFACE AY  ISANG PARI NA NAGNGANGALANG JOCUNDUS. LALO NA NAMAN PONG LUMILITAW NA SINUNGALING KAYO.

IKALAWA, WALA PONG DIRECT SUCCESSION NA NANGYARI DAHIL HINALINHAN PO SI POPE INNOCENT I NI POPE ZOSIMUS, SO HINDI PO SYA DYNASTY. ELECTION PO PWEDE PA.

[4^TH DYNASTY?]

ANG HULI MONG PINOST AY HINDI RIN PO DYNASTY DAHIL SI POPE HORMISDAS AY HINALINHAN NG 5 HINDI NYA KAANU-ANONG PAPA BAGO UMUPO ANG KANYANG ANAK NA SI POPE ST. SILVERIUS. EWAN KO BA SA IYO KUNG BAKIT GANYAN ANG UTAK MO??? HALATADO PONG WALANG DIRECT SUCCESSION SA PAGITAN NG DALAWA, IBIG SABIHIN, HINDI PO SILA DYNASTY DAHIL ANG DYNASTY AY:

“  a succession of rulers of the same line of descent”

source: http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/dynasty

[1ST DYNASTY?]

SA 1ST DYNASTY, GANUN DIN PO ANG MAGIGING LOHIKA, MAAARI NGANG MAIMPLUWENSYA ANG BORGIA FAMILY PERO DALAWANG BORGIA LAMANG ANG NALUKLOK NA PAPA.. SI POPE CALLISTUS III AY NATAPOS MAMUNO NOONG 1458 AT ANG KAMAG-ANAK NAMAN NYA AY NAGSIMULANG NAMUNO NOONG 1492, INUULIT KO, WALA PONG NANGYARING SUCCESSION SA PAGITAN NG DALAWANG MAGKAMAG-ANAK DAHIL 34 YEARS PA ANG HININTAY BAGO MAGKAROON NG ISA PANG BORGIA SA KAPAPAHAN

CONCLUSION:

ANG 2^ND AND 3^RD ALLEGED DYNASTY AY PAWANG KASINUNGALINGAN SAMANTALANG ANG IKAAPAT AY HINDI MAITUTURING DYNASTY. ERGO, U ARE REFUTED! sa madaling salita, HUWAG NYONG ITULAD ANG AMING SIMBAHAN SA IGLESIA NI MANALONG PINAMUMUNUAN LANG NG PAMILYANG MANALO. (family business)